When did Hitler lose the War?

[jwhit172]

Wow...

That is a very interesting story. I had never heard it before. It does make sense that Hitler rushed into the war. Perhaps it was good for all of us that his ego got the best of him and he did attack earlier. I would have hoped that one of the worlds powers would have stood up to him before his military was able to develop.

[padraigmc]

Wow...

That is a very interesting story. I had never heard it before. It does make sense that Hitler rushed into the war. Perhaps it was good for all of us that his ego got the best of him and he did attack earlier. I would have hoped that one of the worlds powers would have stood up to him before his military was able to develop.

It is strange how more info arrives at strange times !

I was watching a documentary on Hitler today and apparently he didnt expect France & Britian to go to war over his invasion of Poland .He probably thought that it would be 1938 all over again & took the risk !

To be honest having watched a documentary on a Physco anylsis of Hitler conducted by the US in 1943 I now think he lost the war on the day he was born !

[David]

Personal opinion here, but I'm going to say Operation Barbarosa. Trying to fight a war on two major fronts was the begining of the end. Second to that was the failure to win the Battle of Britain. Had Britain been forced out of the war the US would have had no place to stockpile troops and material.

[jwhit172]

Personal opinion here, but I'm going to say Operation Barbarosa. Trying to fight a war on two major fronts was the begining of the end. Second to that was the failure to win the Battle of Britain. Had Britain been forced out of the war the US would have had no place to stockpile troops and material.

I agree with that.

How much longer would have the British been able to hold off the Germans if he wouldn't have opened the Russian front?

[JCKahr]

The day he was born, sorry just me being cynical. I agree with the opinion of everyone else
that his micromanagement of the the war that led to his demise. Had he allowed his
generals to prosecute the war the outcome may have been different. I believe that had
he not aligned himself with Japan the US may not have bothered with him. Although
Churchill was pushing for the US to enter the war had Der Fuhrer not declared war on
the United States, after all it was Japan that attacked a US sovereignty (Pearl Harbor)
not Germany. He would not have incurred the industrial might of the US.

[Lieutenant Norgård]

I do not agree with all of you who is saying that he lost the war already before he started it. The truth is that he for a very long time was close to winning it all. As said earlier in the thread, the vital part, where he probably lost the war, was when he was unable invading Great Britan. If he had managed to do so, the allied would have major problemes opening a new front against the germans. The fact that the allied opened this third front on D-day (they took Rome on june 5th + the sovjet front), was the event that made germany collaps.

Just imagine how much hell Hitler could have greated on theese two fronts if he didn't have to send so many men to westfront?

[Bacchus]

With no offshore aircraft carrier

What does this mean? The British had many carriers, one of which, the Couregeous, was sunk in the first week.

[padraigmc]

With no offshore aircraft carrier

What does this mean? The British had many carriers, one of which, the Couregeous, was sunk in the first week.

Britain was described as the biggest aircraft carrier in the world due to its role as a base for air operations in WW2.

What i was referring to was the fact that if Germany had invaded and conquored the UK there would have been no airbases for the bombing offensive against the Nuts and indeed no base for the invasion.

[britman71]

Hitler lost the War when he invaded Poland!!!!

[triton22]

Some very good points made here, and all seem to have some impact on the outcome of the war it seems. I feel that the commencement of Operation Barbarrossa was not initially bad strategy, although finishing off England first would have been more prudent. Two things I believe contributed to the unsucessful outcome of Operation Barbarrossa, and ultimately the Fall of the Third Reich. First, the delay in starting the operation due to the inablity to come to a quick agreement between Hitler and his commanders over the proper strategy to be used. This delay pushed the offensive into the winter months, giving the hardened Soviet Army a distinct advantage over the poorly supplied and bedraggled German Army. Second, was the division of the German offensive into three prongs. This was a major point of disagreement between Hitler and his commanders. Hitler's decision to send arguably his best divisions south into the resource-rich Caucasus was a major cause in their defeat in my opinion. The German army's shortage of oil was a big reason Hitler sent those divisions south. The combination of the harsh winter and german armor sitting useless along the invasion route spelled doom for the German army. Perhaps a less-known and more oblique reason for German defeat to the Russians and therefore the war, was due to the treatment of the Russian people by the German Army and the SS. The atrocities committed by the SS were well documented and served to inspire the Russian Army to victory in my opinion.

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[britman71]

Lots of good posts here.

On a more serious post.

Hitler nearly did take all the spoils. Very close to wiping out the British Army. Only "the few" flying above the British skies kept our freedom. Also, if it wasn't for some mad Russian fighting around Moscow and Stalingrad (and Hitler's obsession with them), things would've been so much more different.

[El Português]

In my view, Hitler began to lose the war with the siege to Stalingrad, in Russia`s front. This battle was long and very tiring because of weather conditions (including snow and very cold), which caused irreversible damage in the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS. Hence, Hitler began to recruit teenagers and veterans for several fronts, which led to the defeat against the experience and wisdom of the Allies.


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[Dutchman]

in 1812.

In my view, Hitler began to lose the war with the siege to Stalingrad, in Russia`s front. This battle was long and very tiring because of weather conditions (including snow and very cold), which caused irreversible damage in the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS. Hence, Hitler began to recruit teenagers and veterans for several fronts, which led to the defeat against the experience and wisdom of the Allies.


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I can agree with what El Português has written above.
In short the chance for Hitler changed into his disfavour when he opened a second front in the East and began the invasion of the Soviet Union at 3:15 a.m on the 22nd of June 1941. The defeat at Stalingrad was the end of his fortune. As it has been written above: the ennemy of foreign armies fighting in Russia, are the very cold winters. Hitler should have taken example with Napoleon with the retreat from Russia in 1812.

[Bacchus]

Personal opinion here, but I'm going to say Operation Barbarosa. Trying to fight a war on two major fronts was the begining of the end. Second to that was the failure to win the Battle of Britain. Had Britain been forced out of the war the US would have had no place to stockpile troops and material.

The reality is that he would never have been able to successfully invade Britain. He didn't have the ship transport ability nor was the channel clear of the Royal Navy or the RAF. He would have had to decisively destroyed the RAF and the RN and sunk enough ships supplying materials to Britain and even then he would have gotten a end to the war, not a succesful takeover of Britain. Britain by itself could not have defeated Hitler (nor could any one nation) but they would not have 'lost' in the way France did

[ambulnick]

... but they would not have 'lost' in the way France did

Realistically, that's only because we're an Island.